Interview with Cassie Campbell, part 2
Interview with Cassie Campbell, part 2
I'm continuing a series on my blog interviewing some musicians from IHOP-KC. If you have not yet read part 1 of Cassie’s interview, be sure to read it here. Cassie is the bass player on Laura Hackett’s team at IHOP-KC and has played with Misty Edwards, in addition to being part of IHOP-KC’s nightwatch for many years. This is part 2 of Cassie’s interview where I asked her questions relating to being a prophetic musician as her full-time occupation.
Josh: Hi Cassie, thanks for doing this once again! So many people were encouraged by part 1 of your interview. I know you have many thoughts on Christians and secular music, but I think we’ll save that for part 3 of our dialogue. But let’s jump right in to part 2! You said earlier that you often like to sing in the Spirit and with your understanding as you play on stage. Do you think there is a formula or method for becoming “anointed” as a prophetic musician on your instrument?
Cassie: Haha, is there a formula to becoming anointed? Hmmm, well I will say I have seen singers and musicians that were very skilled and able to do tons of vocals runs, or do crazy guitar solo's, but unfortunately weren't very anointed. Then I've also seen very skilled musicians who were very talented, as well as very anointed (Let me give a shout out to my friend Paco as being one of them!!) However, I will say, skilled and truly anointed musicians/singers are harder to find. I've also seen a really inexperienced worship leader playing G-C-D chords (because that's all they knew), but loved Jesus a whole lot, and they would usher in the presence of the Holy Spirit.
So, there's no formula. Simply being skilled or unskilled does not make the Holy Spirit show up. I think that for the Holy Spirit to come He must feel welcomed and free to exalt Jesus. So with that it requires the musician, singer, or worship leader to have an agreement in their heart to exalt Jesus more than their own skill or reputation. In my opinion you could largely say anointing has a huge part to do with humility. Psalm 33:1 says "...praise from the upright is beautiful." When something is beautiful, it attracts someone's attention. Praise from an upright heart attracts God’s attention. Also Isaiah 66:2 "...But on this one I will look, on him who is poor and of a contrite spirit, and who trembles at my Word." The Lord is looking for upright, poor, & contrite hearts that are willing to be vessels. The Lord will use any amount of talent someone has. He will use the 1 talent, 5 talents, or 10 talents, and our responsibility is to use what He gave.
I would also say a common misconception is that being "anointed" means that it equals being on the main stage. The Lord has SO many outlets to express worship and lead people into His presence. I think people sometimes dismiss the anointing the Lord has given them just cause they can't do it like someone else who may be more "skilled" or they're not able to play with the main worship team, big conferences, etc. The outlets are endless - small group bible study, nursing homes, orphanages, women or men's retreats, children's ministry, houses of prayer, worship teams, little meetings, big meetings... size doesn't matter; what does is Jesus being exalted.
One of my favorite verses that dignify everyone with varying talents is 1 Pet. 4:10-11 "As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. If anyone ministers, let him do it, as with the ability which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever, AMEN!" This means the Lord knows each one’s capability and honors all levels, and in whatever level it can all point to Jesus being glorified!! That is so cool.
Josh: Amen! I love how the Lord has chosen anointing and humility to go hand-in-hand. He knows when we are just being falsely humble too! True humility only comes from experiencing the ups and downs of the "ferris wheel of favor", and choosing to respond rightly in each circumstance. So let’s talk practicals again for a second. How much do you practice outside of your worship sets, and is that an important part to being a prophetic musician?
Cassie: f I were totally honest my practicing varies in different seasons. I’ve never been one that’s awesome with a consistent hourly thing. I usually tackle something as it’s presented. Or am worshipping or playing at home and hear something, and try to work it out. Or I pull out some Bach solos and practice them. I will say the glory of a 24/7 prayer and worship center is you’re playing so much, so a lot of my practice also happens on stage. And then if I discovered something but couldn’t quite do it yet, I’ll work it out when I get home. I also practice according to what instruments I’m mostly playing. For a while I was helping as a drummer on a team so I was practicing drums more than I ever had. Stuff like that.
I would definitely say practicing is important for a prophetic musician. As my desire is to be a prophetic musician, I want to be ready at any moment to play ANYTHING! So as a bass player if I’m only limited to one technique, Holy Spirit may go in a certain direction in a meeting and if I don’t have the chops to move there then I’ve limited that certain expression. Now that’s not supposed to be a "big heavy"; however I want to be prepared for what He may do. Loud, soft, fast, slow, funk, rock, really melodic, intricate rhythms, etc. So I believe practicing all of those different musical facets definitely equips an aspiring prophetic musician.
Josh: I’d say I am the same way when it comes to practicing. Though I do practice some offstage, so much of my technical practice comes on stage simply because of the number of hours per week that we play. So let’s say you’re on a set and your worship leader asks you to start a song or a spontaneous song. How do you know if you’re actually being prophetic and hearing melodies from God?
Cassie: Honesty, I want to go for melodies from heaven with all I have as a musician. However, I never want to be the one to define it as being a “melody from heaven.” I will let the Lord define it and use it as He wishes. If He chooses to confirm it through different ways I LOVE it, but to me the point isn’t even the definition of a "melody from heaven" as much as living a life before the Lord with all my heart, asking Him for melodies from heaven, and being an open vessel. If it is a melody from heaven, the impact will speak on its own. Impact may look like many different ways, i.e. there is favor on a song, it motivates people to radical love for Jesus, it helps His Bride understand His love, and it carries an anointing for healings to break out, or joy; where the song carries something of the Holy Spirit in it. My desire is that musicians pursue melodies and songs from heaven but without being overly concerned with defining it as such.
Basically on a set I think it can come at anytime, and it’s honestly just stepping out at different times and trying it. Always be conscious of the worship leader you’re playing under. The goal is always to serve, and not take over. Often a melody can be something a person heard in the secret place which they use in a set, or it can just come spontaneously on stage. Or sometimes it’s a team effort, and one will start half, and another will finish it.
Josh: Yeah! That’s good! The resounding message there is “humility”, so that Christ can be exalted! While we’re on the subject of anointed melodies, tell us how the melody for Misty Edwards’ “You Won’t Relent” came about.
Cassie: Well, it was around mid June 2007, and I had already been on a personal journey with the Lord regarding what music to listen to and what not to. I had even been in dialogue with my friend Seth Yates who had recently decided to give up secular music and then the Lord gave him the melody line for “My Soul Longs for You” (listen on Onething Live & Misty Edwards’ ‘Relentless’). Well, then we had our worship team meeting where all the IHOP-KC worship teams get together and Mike Bickle and our leadership team share what they feel is on the Lord’s heart.
This specific meeting, Mike focused on the two great end-of-the-age worship movements." And simultaneously like the wheat and the tares, both are being raised up, one worship movement being raised up for Jesus, and the other for the Antichrist. Rev. 13:4 talks about a people worshipping the dragon and the beast (satan and the antichrist) saying "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?" and also in Rev 18:22 when Babylon falls, it talks about "the sound of the harpists, musicians, flutists, & trumpeters not being heard anymore."
I then decided in my heart that if I truly feel called to be a Levite in the House of The Lord and minister before Him, that I never wanted to drink from the muddy waters of the music of this age, nor do I want to feed my spirit off of music that is not in the Light. I want to always test the spirits. So I deleted the rest of my secular music, I had been slowly lessening my amount over the years, but I just trashed it all, and my songbooks, and prayed “Lord, I ask that You would give my the spirit of prophecy, that I would be one to minister to Your heart, and that You would give me songs, and melodies from heaven." Little did I know that Misty Edwards, my worship leader at the time, was specifically praying for a song around the verses Song of Solomon 8:6 "Set Me as a seal upon your heart, as a seal upon your arm..." So, it was Tuesday night 10p devotional set at IHOP, and it was about 11:30p when Misty asked me if I would start something on my bass. As I begin to play I did some chords with a little tapping, and the first thing my hands fell on was the melody line to the song "You Won’t Relent" (Relentless). As we started to sing Misty was singing around SOS 8:6 and David Brymer hopped on my melody with the chorus "You won’t relent until You have it all.." and then the song slowly began to develop. At one point Misty did that huge vocal jump “many waters, can not quench this..LOVE…" and Paco just came in huge, and Misty held that note out at least 16 beats…it was a long time. So basically my obedience to the Lord, prayer for the spirit of prophecy, and Misty’s prayer for a Song of Solomon 8:6 song, all collided. And then we arranged it just in time for the Call on 7-7-07, which was a powerful time. I’m so grateful to the Lord’s kindness, and am jealous for more.
Josh: The first time I heard that song and that melody, I knew that the Lord wanted me to understand how passionate His love was towards me and how He was inviting me to give myself to Him. I remember being moved so deeply by that song on 7-7-07! Thanks so much Cassie! Looking forward to your final thoughts on secular music in a few days!